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Post by Vampyre on Jun 4, 2012 8:24:29 GMT -5
I know the rules I was forgetting....
5) NTC is in effect again with the new team; 6) Traded player will not be traded again during the season (GMs could try to move the rights prior to the draft)
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Post by thunderbirds on Jun 4, 2012 8:51:08 GMT -5
Some of the points being made are very good and others are not so good.
I don't think the player agents should have any say on what team players with ntc's would accept a trade to. Their job should be the negotiation of contracts and nothing else.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Devils on Jun 4, 2012 9:50:08 GMT -5
I think the point of an NTC is to eliminate the possibility of the player being traded. If we allow for a loop hole that says it's ok to trade a player with the NTC tag it basically makes signing an NTC contract pointless. It's up to the GM's to be responsible and assign these stipulations only when it is proper. If you think you might ever trade the player DON'T give him the NTC.
As a player agent I consider these stipulations to add value to the contract in question, often times taking a small discount for the player in question because of the NTC. If we give an out clause to the NTC I see no reason to continue doing so. Just my two cents.
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Post by Norsemen on Jun 4, 2012 10:53:37 GMT -5
In resonse to Mark's point about discounts sometimes.being given to players with a NTC.
If only players on the final year of.their contract can be dealt before they are once again UFA's then the salary impact is minimal. These players would be nothing more then rentals for a playoff bound team.
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Post by Vampyre on Jun 4, 2012 11:05:12 GMT -5
My general thoughts on the value of the NTC fall in line with Mark. I also allow for a 'home-town discount' type of deal when a NTC is added, and the NTC holds much more weight than the signing bonus.
This is a major reason why there would need to be very restrictive rules/conditions on trading a player with a NTC.
To be clear, I am not against the idea...under a set of strict, codified rules; and it should not be a common occurrence (it might crop up once or twice in a given year).
Otherwise, the NTC is truly worthless.
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Post by Oil kings GM on Jun 4, 2012 20:17:46 GMT -5
I voted "YES" as I was one of the GM's that spoke to Mike about trading away players with NTC's, most notably, Turco and Rafalski.
I agree with having a 'window of opportunity' to trade such player like mentioned (2 weeks before trade deadline).
I would like to add something to this and how it works.
If you give a player a NTC and is only signed for 2 years then you can't trade his him and he is yours for the full 2 years.
If said player is signed for 3 or 4 years, then they would have to play out half of their contract. So on a 3 year contract, it means you can't trade the player until the final year of the contract. If it is a 4 year contract, then you can trade the player with 2 years remaining.
Also I agree that it would have to be to a team that is going to make the play-offs. So a 6-8 place team would be out for sure, and maybe a 5th seeded team, it would all depend on how close the standings are from 5-8.
I would also be willing a stipulation as someone mentioned that they would have to be in their end of their careers, so 30+ in age.
Another thing to look at is if you trade a player with a NTC, you cannot sign him when he becomes an UFA.
I think I have said everything I had on my mind as of right now, but will add if I think of anything.
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Post by Vampyre on Jun 4, 2012 20:32:11 GMT -5
I would say that trading a player before he's in the final year of his contract (ie not a rental) is not a good idea to be allowed, again because it erodes the value of a NTC.
This is all academic for this season anyway, as was mentioned above, as it is not a good idea to change rules 'on the fly' in the middle of a season.
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Post by RavensGM on Jun 4, 2012 22:26:53 GMT -5
We're getting ahead of ourselves a bit. It is not good to change a rule like this in the middle of a season. I would be all for examining a restricted trade option for players with NTC but starting with next season, not less than two weeks from the trade deadline this season, as it changes the rules mid-stream. Restrictions similar to what's been said: 1) within 2-3 weeks of the trade deadline (around the 58 game mark); 2) player must be in the final year of a contract that will leave him a UFA; 3) it could also be age-restricted if necessary (I think 32+ years old was mentioned); 4) the team should be a contender (ie. not in a dog-fight to just make the playoffs); 5) there's probably another one, but I can't think of it right now. I agree with all of this, inculding not starting it until next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 9:26:50 GMT -5
A few of you are saying that there should be an age restriction of around 32 years of age in order for this player to be moved.
I would suggest that the age be 29 years or greater. If we limit players with no-trade clauses to be moved only if they're on the final year of a contract and are 29 years old or more then they will become UFA's after the playoffs regardless.
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Post by Vampyre on Jun 5, 2012 12:30:48 GMT -5
I only mentioned that an age-restriction could be part of the rules....it may not be necessary at all if we just stated that the player must be headed for FA at the conclusion of the season.
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Post by Commish on Jun 5, 2012 14:47:54 GMT -5
Wow has this ever turned into a hot discussion.
Not really sure how i personally feel about trading away players that have negotiated a no-trade clause into their contract. On the one hand, I feel that once a player has a no-trade clause attached to his deal, then he should see it through until the contract expires.
I can also see the benefit to the league by allowing these player types to be given the opportunity at playoff glory. The added activity leading up to the trade deadline would also be interesting to see.
The only way I could see us changing the rules regarding the movement on NTC players is by passing very strict rules to regulate such trades.
Here are some of my own suggestions on such rules:
* Players must be 29 years of age or older and on the final year of their NTC contract. This would allow them to become UFA's at conclusion of playoffs. * Franchise tag cannot be used on the player by the new team * Such trades can only be made 2 weeks prior to the deadline. * Player must be traded from a non-playoff team to a team that is all but guaranteed to make the playoffs.
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Post by Vampyre on Jun 5, 2012 15:21:30 GMT -5
Wow has this ever turned into a hot discussion. Says the man who chummed the waters....
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Post by Commish on Jun 5, 2012 17:14:27 GMT -5
It's in my job description.
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Post by RavensGM on Jun 5, 2012 23:49:36 GMT -5
Wow has this ever turned into a hot discussion. Not really sure how i personally feel about trading away players that have negotiated a no-trade clause into their contract. On the one hand, I feel that once a player has a no-trade clause attached to his deal, then he should see it through until the contract expires. I can also see the benefit to the league by allowing these player types to be given the opportunity at playoff glory. The added activity leading up to the trade deadline would also be interesting to see. The only way I could see us changing the rules regarding the movement on NTC players is by passing very strict rules to regulate such trades. Here are some of my own suggestions on such rules: * Players must be 29 years of age or older and on the final year of their NTC contract. This would allow them to become UFA's at conclusion of playoffs. * Franchise tag cannot be used on the player by the new team * Such trades can only be made 2 weeks prior to the deadline. * Player must be traded from a non-playoff team to a team that is all but guaranteed to make the playoffs.Pretty much sums it up perfectly. And wait until next year.
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Post by Oil kings GM on Jun 6, 2012 5:45:57 GMT -5
Wow has this ever turned into a hot discussion. Not really sure how i personally feel about trading away players that have negotiated a no-trade clause into their contract. On the one hand, I feel that once a player has a no-trade clause attached to his deal, then he should see it through until the contract expires. I can also see the benefit to the league by allowing these player types to be given the opportunity at playoff glory. The added activity leading up to the trade deadline would also be interesting to see. The only way I could see us changing the rules regarding the movement on NTC players is by passing very strict rules to regulate such trades. Here are some of my own suggestions on such rules: * Players must be 29 years of age or older and on the final year of their NTC contract. This would allow them to become UFA's at conclusion of playoffs. * Franchise tag cannot be used on the player by the new team * Such trades can only be made 2 weeks prior to the deadline. * Player must be traded from a non-playoff team to a team that is all but guaranteed to make the playoffs. I can live with this.
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